Boiling Frogs Beltway Buzz: DHS-TSA Terror Watch List Includes Dead & Long-Dead US Citizens

Resilient Founding Fathers with Propensity for Resistance among One Million+ Terror Watch List Suspects!


DHSIn May 2009 the Inspector General of the Justice Department found that 35% of the nominations to the Department of Homeland Security’s Terror Watch Lists were outdated, many people were not removed in a timely manner, and tens of thousands of names were placed on the list without predicate. A September 2009 report by the Inspector General of the Department of Homeland Security found that the process for clearing innocent travelers from the list is a complete mess. Although significant, both reports failed to mention their findings on the number of names of already-dead US citizens who seem to be stuck there permanently. Even more significantly, it’s been reported that the TSA Terror Watch List includes the names of Long-Dead but well-known and well-respected US citizens, including several members of a group collectively known as the Founding Fathers of the United States. So far, based on our former and current TSA sources, we have been able to confirm the inclusion of two such long-dead persons on at least one DHS-TSA joint Terror Watch List: Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin.

A former TSA manager and a member of National Security Whistleblowers Coalition (NSWBC) provided us with his first-hand knowledge of what he referred to as the ‘DHS-TSA Terror Watch List Black Hole’, where US citizens’ names remain ‘forever.’ According to this source:

The current one million plus list contains the names of many deceased US persons, since there is no working mechanism in place to remove names, whether due to mistaken inclusion or those deemed cleared later, or even those no longer alive…We are talking about the names of thousands of dead Americans who still remain on our terror watch list, and keep getting renewed! Yet they spend millions of dollars to maintain this black hole and keep it classified-secret from the public…

The most explosive aspect of these recent reports, confirmed by three former and current government officials, was the revelation that since 2002 several well-known historical figures known as the ‘Founding Fathers’, who served our nation in various capacities, including one US President, and all that over two hundred years ago, have been on one  joint DHS-TSA Terror Watch List. Through documents and several sources we have been able to confirm two such cases involving Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin.

PistoleAfter several attempts I was able to secure a phone interview with the current TSA Chief John Pistole by agreeing to his condition. Mr. Pistole asked me to sign an agreement pledging that I would provide him with the names of my sources who had leaked these reports and the names of the Founding Fathers currently on the DHS-TSA Terror Watch List. I complied (At the end of this article I will provide you with additional details on this fulfilled agreement), and within an hour after I faxed his office the signed and notarized agreement we began our interview:

Sibel Edmonds (S.E.): Sir, I have confirmation from three sources, but for the record I would like to receive your confirmation on the report that at least two members of the group ‘Founding Fathers’, Mr. Thomas Jefferson and Mr. Benjamin Franklin, are on one of your most comprehensive joint Terror Watch Lists.

John Pistole (J. P.): Let me first express my utter contempt for those who leak classified and highly sensitive information such as this. As you will see soon we will hold these individuals accountable for divulging sensitive national security intelligence. And to answer your question…YES. Based on solid evidence, evaluation, and subsequent investigations and reviews we have determined that those individuals, Mr. Jefferson and Mr. Franklin, pose a high-level threat to our national security. After careful review and investigation they were placed on our watch list in 2003, and have remained there since our bi-annual review still finds them to be a threat to our security.

S.E.: Could you please explain what you mean by ‘threat to our national security. I mean these individuals are revered as the founders of our democracy, our political system… architects of our nation’s Constitution. How could they possibly be perceived as a ‘threat to national security’?

J.P.: It is because whether indirectly or even unwittingly they aid and abet our enemy, who happen to be the bad, very bad terrorists. With inflammatory writings and speeches they undermine our national security and that my friend is what the terrorists are hoping for, waiting for!

Jefferson S.E.: I still don’t see it, Mr. Pistole. Okay, let’s take Thomas Jefferson here. Please tell me how Mr. Jefferson can possibly aid and abet terrorists.

J.P.: Have you read this man’s preposterous writings? Have you paid attention to his shameless propaganda against the government? Just listen to this quote: “The spirit of resistance to government is so valuable on certain occasions that I wish it to be always kept alive. It will often be exercised when wrong, but better so than not to be exercised at all” This man, this anarchist, is encouraging Americans to resist us; to resist us the government, who are in charge of protecting their national security!! By making us the government the enemy of you the people, he is making the terrorists the friends of you the people. Because you the people are either with us the government or with the enemy! You understand that, Ms. Edmonds?! And while we are at it, here is another one: “And what country can preserve its liberties, if the rulers are not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms.” We the rulers are the protectors of your security, and this man uses his fame and name to make us the real enemy of the people??! He may as well work for the terrorists!

FranklinS.E.: Okay, let’s move to the next one. Tell us about Mr. Benjamin Franklin.

J.P.: Oh, that Franklin guy! First, he is what we despise the most. He is what his current highness Obama is determined to quash forever. Yes, he is a known leaker, a whistleblower, a proven traitor. He defied the higher power in charge of people’s security by leaking the Hutchinson Letters, thus, undermining the rulers’ government. Our regime won’t show the meekness and weakness of the Bush regime. As you can see we now arrest and jail these leakers-whistleblowers. And Franklin is not and won’t be an exception!!! Of course, there also are his inflammatory and preposterous propaganda against national security such as this: “Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.” What kind of nonsense terrorist-abetting sh.. is this?! We have also suspicions that he may be behind this ludicrous OPT-OUT movement. I wouldn’t put it past him!! If so we’ll also issue him a $11,000 fine, and have the right to indefinitely hold him in custody…

As we approached the end of our interview I quickly asked him the following question:

S.E.: Sir, these men have been dead for over two hundred years. How can long-dead men be of any threat to our national security?!

J.P.: We haven’t found any hard-evidence, any scientific proof of their deaths; have you?! Sure, it is ‘said,’ only ‘said,’ that they in fact died. Can you, with no doubt, prove that the men inside those graves marked with the names Jefferson and Franklin are indeed the real Jefferson and Franklin? Maybe with excavation and DNA samples and …however, that doesn’t seem to be the case here. Come on, these guys were known for their resilience with a propensity for resistance. Who says they couldn’t still be alive today?! When it comes to our national security we do not take any chances, and this is NO EXCEPTION. Americans have trusted us with their security through their private parts and hard-earned dollars, and we are not about to let them down by taking chances on resilient men keen on resistance who may unwittingly and indirectly aid and abet terrorists; whether they are said-to-be-long-dead Founding Fathers or Quaker grandmothers…

S.E.: One last question, Mr. Pistole. How about Patrick Henry, John Paine…or even the US Constitution, are those all classified as terror threats and watch-list inhabitants?

J.P.: We are not going to divulge classified information, and the names of our suspects are all considered classified. As for the Constitution? Who says there is a Constitution? Last time we investigated we found it to be mythical and highly irrelevant. Now I am going to hang up and wait for your list of names, the sources you pledged to divulge.

At this point Mr. Pistole, also known as Mr. Pee-Stool, hung up. As for my list of names faxed to his office? I kept my word, and faxed him a signed paper containing the following names: John Brown, Aaron Dwight Stevens, and Mary Jenkins Surratt. They may all be long-dead men and women, but as Mr. Pistole says, these people were known to be resilient, and who can prove they are really dead!


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  1. I love it~ Nice job, Sibel!

  2. Ya know, I told Ben this would happen! I mean he did a lot of shocking things – way beyond playing with that kite and his keys. There he was hanging out with those Native Americans, and pushing for their type of democracy; and even worse, had to gall to suggest that the American wild turkey be our national bird instead of the eagle. Very subversive! But no – he never listened and now look where it got him! On the no-fly list! Well – at least the bird got recognition on one day a year.

  3. It’s becoming ever more apparent why schools don’t teach more about the constitution and the framers who helped create it. The less people know, the more ability the government and media have to push their lies and agenda.

    If only we could see the faces of Ben and Tom to see what they’d think of how lax we as a people have become in regards to our rights and freedoms. Who knows, maybe Glen Beck will have them on his show soon

  4. I wish they’d keep their Mother-Fing hands off of me!

  5. I wish I would’ve thought of this sooner, but here it is anyhow. Wouldn’t it be the ultimate, to have people dressed like Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson outside of the airports tomorrow, handing out fliers for “Opt Out”? It would sure get people thinking

  6. camusrebel says:

    ok, I get AD Stevens but MJ Surrat? Was honest Abe that bad we should
    be inspired by a woman hung for being in on the plot to kill him?

    otherwise a nice use of humor to make a point.

  7. If anyone’s interested, here’s a chapter from Wendell Potter’s book, and in it you can see all the dirty tricks corporate america pulls to get their way and influence the sheeple in this country.

  8. Guess I should’ve included the link…duh.

  9. More QUOTATIONS. “Not since the “Patriot Act” of 2001 has any bill so threatened our constitutionally guaranteed rights.”

    “The historian Henry Steele Commager, denouncing President John Adams’ suppression of free speech in the 1790s, argued that the Bill of Rights was not written to protect government from dissenters but to provide a legal means for citizens to oppose a government they didn’t trust. Thomas Jefferson’s Declaration of Independence not only proclaimed the right to dissent but declared it a people’s duty, under certain conditions, to alter or abolish their government.”

    Published on Monday, November 19, 2007 by The Baltimore Sun
    Title: Here Come the Thought Police
    by Ralph E. Shaffer

    This quote came from:

    The above noted Baltimore Sun piece was nominated for a Pulitzer Prize in 2008. It surely affirms that these two guys, Jefferson, Patrick Henry, John Paine, Franklin, et al; all revolutionaries deserve to stay on the terror watch list forever; no doubt about. On the other hand every American should read the first 200 words of the Declaration of Independence at least 5 times per day. I would nominate this declaration as the greatest piece of writing in the English language. Guess that means I will go on the watch list too.

    John Pistole should be fired immediately

  10. Declaration of Independence IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776
    The unanimous Declaration of the thirteen united States of America

    When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security… ETC. DAMN THESE WORDS ARE GREAT!

  11. The forth Amendment is dead.

  12. Will & SanderO, you have cited the two precedents which I take as the basis for this declaration of disassociation, to be presented to anyone who would allow themselves to be Pornografried and/or groped without protest:

    You are in contempt of your American citizenship.
    By consenting to the unwarranted violation of your person,
    you have thus violated American sovereignty,
    as generally defined in the Declaration of Independence,
    and specified as concerns searches and seizures in the Fourth Amendment.
    I, a citizen, accuse you of treason.
    In acceding to the violation of your person, you encourage tyranny.
    In so doing, you pose an implicit threat to all citizens.
    We who assert our citizenship then must regard you as being in allegiance to tyrants.
    And so, we must avoid all commerce and association with you.
    We are embarrassed of you.
    You have accorded to yourself the status of a domestic pet, a supine slave, a grovelling loyalist.
    We do not recognize you.

    The above receives its inspiration from the Articles of Association of 1774.

    That is where we are at in 2010.


    Wonder why Ireland is in financial trouble? Wonder why BP is a shell organization trying sell off its assets? Wonder why China is allowed to flood the U.S. with cheap prison labor products? The date on the link is March 4, 2002. I don’t believe the information is dated.
    Greg Palast says: “In fact, here I’m in London right now and we have, the British has, some responsibility here. The guy who was on the audit committee of Enron, Lord Wakeham. And this guy is a real piece of work, there isn’t a conflict of interest that he hasn’t been involved in.” He is the head of NM Rothschild

  14. 0ivae’s correct-
    If the sacred fourth and the Declaration are dead, then we the Sheeple killed it. The government accomplishes these deeds by compartmentalization of we folks. We voters. Organize. Organize Organize. Homeland security could be countered with leadership and intelligent civil disobedience, because we cannot face down “big brother” and the power of the state as individuals. Impossible.

    The government now feeds us routinely through metal detectors, then x-ray machines and comprehensive “pat downs”. Now, are the federal prison camps and gas chambers far behind? And still no protest?

    People need to study German history: the Enabling act of 1933 (e.g. culmination of a tea party movement),

    Wherein the German people lost their democracy and the Nazi party took over dictatorial ruling powers.

    The corporatocracy and move to fascism has almost run its course. So sad. This used to be a really great country.

    One small voice: Keep up the thoughtless shopping folks!! Merry Christmas.

  15. Is this a joke interview? This reads like satire, I don’t believe this is real.

  16. cinderman says:

    Sibel… you deleted my comment. Goodby and good luck. Your credibility factor has been reduced to zero. You’re just another disinformation agent. I’m deleting your blog from my bookmarks. Either apologize or go screw.

  17. Thought this might be of interest to some.

    Ron Paul
    Look for me tonight at 8 EST on Judge Napolitano’s Freedom Watch (Fox Business network) with a big announcement!

  18. ZicaTanka says:

    A narcicist blunderer and not very nice
    Cinderman, asunder, spread o’er the ice
    Steady she goes, without fear that she’ll slip
    Ms. Edmonds now strolls with more traction and grip

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