A few Minutes of Reflection this 4th of July

“I hereby declare, on oath, that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic”- Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the USA

During this celebratory holiday please take a few minutes to read our Declaration of Independence, Bill of Rights, and US Citizenship-Office Oath. Please do it.

You will not find the word ‘Flag.’

You will not see the word ‘Borders.’

You will not see the words ‘National Security.’

What you will see is the word ‘Constitution.’

What you will find is the obligation to defend, not the ‘flag,’  ‘borders’ or ‘government’, but the United States Constitution, and defend it against foreign and domestic enemies.

The shalwar-wearing bearded men holding rakes and pitchforks in caves have never been and will never be a threat to our Constitution.

The terrorists from south of the border will never present any danger to our Constitution.

The made-to-be-enemy dictators of foreign nations across the ocean have never and will never be able to touch our Constitution.

When it comes down to it there has never been a clear and present danger to our Constitution from any foreign entity or power. I suspect there never will be. No bomb attack, no pitchfork, no fatwa or jihad can even come close to destroying the United States Constitution.

The only enemies that have ever targeted our Constitution, the only entities that have ever launched an assault against our freedom, the only institution capable of destroying our Bill of Rights, the only power that has done so, and has been doing so, and if left untouched and unchallenged will continue to do so until nothing is left of the Constitution entrusted to us by our founding fathers, are the domestic enemies among us, or more accurately, ‘above’ us from where they rule.

My dear friends, I don’t intend to spoil your festivities and celebration. I want you to go ahead and enjoy that cold beer, those hot dogs, and the fireworks. All I’m asking of you is this: when the time comes for the dessert, while you are slicing that white sheet cake with the red and blue depicting the stars and stripes, think about the irony of it and how our domestic enemies have been slicing up and tearing apart the one thing that represents being an American – Our Constitution. Happy Independence Day.

“That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed. That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness… when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security…”- Declaration of Independence, July 1776

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Sibel Edmonds is the Publisher & Editor of Boiling Frogs Post and the author of the Memoir Classified Woman: The Sibel Edmonds Story. She is the recipient of the 2006 PEN Newman's Own First Amendment Award for her “commitment to preserving the free flow of information in the United States in a time of growing international isolation and increasing government secrecy” Ms. Edmonds has a MA in Public Policy and International Commerce from George Mason University, a BA in Criminal Justice and Psychology from George Washington University.

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  1. Sibel, there is no spoiling of the 4th of July when reminding us what the 4th of July is supposed to be about. Your post is completely apropos and a reminder that we the people must protect our unalienable rights set forth under the constitution by our founding fathers.

    Sibel, the fireworks we will see will not be tonight. It will be the coming days when more and more people wake up. Keep pushing and don’t get discouraged. Now go get a hotdog and a beer and go hug your child and husband.

  2. AVIONBLANC says:

    I read the Declaration this morning. It appears that it is as vital today as it was in 1776. “….We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness….That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government…But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security…The history of the present …. is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute Tyranny over these States. To prove this, let Facts be submitted to a candid world.

    He has refused his Assent to Laws, the most wholesome and necessary for the public good.

    He has forbidden his Governors to pass Laws of immediate and pressing importance, unless suspended in their operation till his Assent should be obtained; and when so suspended, he has utterly neglected to attend to them.

    He has made Judges dependent on his Will alone, for the tenure of their offices, and the amount and payment of their salaries.

    He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

    He has affected to render the Military independent of and superior to the Civil power.

    He has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving his Assent to their Acts of pretended Legislation:

    For depriving us in many cases, of the benefits of Trial by Jury:

    For transporting us beyond Seas to be tried for pretended offences

    For abolishing the free System of English Laws in a neighbouring Province, establishing therein an Arbitrary government, and enlarging its Boundaries so as to render it at once an example and fit instrument for introducing the same absolute rule into these Colonies:

    For taking away our Charters, abolishing our most valuable Laws, and altering fundamentally the Forms of our Governments:

    For suspending our own Legislatures, and declaring themselves invested with power to legislate for us in all cases whatsoever.

    He has abdicated Government here, by declaring us out of his Protection and waging War against us.

    He is at this time transporting large Armies of foreign Mercenaries to compleat the works of death, desolation and tyranny, already begun with circumstances of Cruelty & perfidy scarcely paralleled in the most barbarous ages, and totally unworthy the Head of a civilized nation.

    He has excited domestic insurrections amongst us,

    Our repeated Petitions have been answered only by repeated injury. A Prince whose character is thus marked by every act which may define a Tyrant, is unfit to be the ruler of a free people.

    We have warned them from time to time of attempts by their legislature to extend an unwarrantable jurisdiction over us….We have appealed to their native justice and magnanimity, and we have conjured them by the ties of our common kindred to disavow these usurpations, which, would inevitably interrupt our connections and correspondence. They too have been deaf to the voice of justice and of consanguinity. We must, therefore, acquiesce in the necessity, which denounces our Separation, and hold them, as we hold the rest of mankind, Enemies in War, in Peace Friends.”

    The patriots of 1776 must look upon us as unworthy of the republic that they left us. They fought and died for the belief that Natural Law, Natural Rights were superior to the enslavement of masses of people to a tyrant. We cower in fear because of some government manufactured “terror”. Cowardice is rampant in 2013.

  3. Bill Bergman says:

    “The liberties of a people never were, nor ever will be, secure, when the transactions of their rulers may be concealed from them.”

    “It is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope. We are apt to shut our eyes against a painful truth, and listen to the song of that siren till she transforms us into beasts. Is this the part of wise men, engaged in a great and arduous struggle for liberty? Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation? For my part, whatever anguish of spirit it may cost, I am willing to know the whole truth; to know the worst, and to provide for it.”

    Patrick Henry

  4. Great words, Sibel!
    The following quotes relate to the forming of the Constitution and maintaining a democratic republic:
    “Keep within the requisite LIMITS a standing military force, always remembering that an armed and trained MILITIA is the finest bulwark of republics…”(caps mine) — James Madison

    “The objectives which have been brought against a standing army, and they are many and weighty, and deserve to PREVAIL, may also at last be brought against a STANDING government.”(caps mine) –Henry David Thoreau

    “BANKING establishments are more dangerous than a standing army.”(caps mine) –Thomas Jefferson

    “Education is a better safeguard of liberty than a standing army.”–Edward Everett Hale (1822-1909)

    Of course, most Americans are not familiar with the Constitution and the great struggle that went into writing it. It seems clear that most of our founding fathers mistrusted large standing armies. The true militia concept would prevent a military coup. There was plenty of paranoia then against centralized power using armies. That was one of the key reasons that caused the Declaration of Independence. They would be in complete shock to witness millions of homeless and breathtaking poverty in these United States as our “standing military” with its 700 global bases and a budget that equals the rest of the planet’s military budget with some 190 countries. I cannot help but think they would cry “What have we done?!”

    I’m paraphrasing Ben Franklin here: After the Constitutional Convention was through he said something like, “Well gentlemen, you have a Republic, if you can keep it.”
    From a historical point of view, we had a shaky republic until the Civil War(more young Americans died than in WW 2), struggled back, but lost the key to real freedom in 1913–The year the Federal Reserve System was schemed into existence. A total non-transparent, non-elected, private cabal which is now on the brink of bringing the American Experiment crashing to its knees.

  5. tonywicher says:

    Just to further recall our great American tradition, let me add the words of another great and eloquent president, Abraham Lincoln, spoken spoken Aug. 17, 1858 in Lewistown, Illinois, during his Senate contest with Stephen Douglas:

    The Declaration of Independence was formed by the representatives of American liberty from thirteen States of the confederacy—twelve of which were slaveholding communities. We need not discuss the way or the reason of their becoming slaveholding communities. It is sufficient for our purpose that all of them greatly deplored the evil and that they placed a provision in the Constitution which they supposed would gradually remove the disease by cutting off its source. This was the abolition of the slave trade. So general was conviction—the public determination—to abolish the African slave trade, that the provision which I have referred to as being placed in the Constitution, declared that it should not be abolished prior to the year 1808. A constitutional provision was necessary to prevent the people, through Congress, from putting a stop to the traffic immediately at the close of the war.
    Now, if slavery had been a good thing, would the Fathers of the Republic have taken a step calculated to diminish its beneficent influences among themselves, and snatch the boon wholly from their posterity? These communities, by their representatives in old Independence Hall, said to the whole world of men: “We hold these truths to be self evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.” This was their majestic interpretation of the economy of the Universe. This was their lofty, and wise, and noble understanding of the justice of the Creator to His creatures. Yes, gentlemen, to all His creatures, to the whole great family of man.
    In their enlightened belief, nothing stamped with the Divine image and likeness was sent into the world to be trodden on, and degraded, and imbruted by its fellows. They grasped not only the whole race of man then living, but they reached forward and seized upon the farthest posterity. They erected a beacon to guide their children and their children’s children, and the countless myriads who should inhabit the earth in other ages. Wise statesmen as they were, they knew the tendency of prosperity to breed tyrants, and so they established these great self-evident truths, that when in the distant future some man, some faction, some interest, should set up the doctrine that none but rich men, or none but white men, were entitled to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, their posterity might look up again to the Declaration of Independence and take courage to renew the battle which their fathers began—so that truth, and justice, and mercy, and all the humane and Christian virtues might not be extinguished from the land; so that no man would hereafter dare to limit and circumscribe the great principles on which the temple of liberty was being built.
    Now, my countrymen, if you have been taught doctrines conflicting with the great landmarks of the Declaration of Independence; if you have listened to suggestions which would take away from its grandeur, and mutilate the fair symmetry of its proportions; if you have been inclined to believe that all men are not created equal in those inalienable rights enumerated by our chart of liberty, let me entreat you to come back. Return to the fountain whose waters spring close by the blood of the Revolution. Think nothing of me—take no thought for the political fate of any man whomsoever—but come back to the truths that are in the Declaration of Independence.
    You may do anything with me you choose, if you will but heed these sacred principles. You may not only defeat me for the Senate, but you may take me and put me to death. While pretending no indifference to earthly honors, I do claim to be actuated in this contest by something higher than an anxiety for office. I charge you to drop every paltry and insignificant thought for any man’s success. It is nothing; I am nothing; Judge Douglas is nothing. But do not destroy that immortal emblem of Humanity, the Declaration of American Independence.

    For further reading:
    Franklin Roosevelt’s speech in 1936, accepting the nomination for re-election, in which he commented on the Declaration of Independence as a declaration for freedom in the face of political tyranny that restricted free speech and free assembly. That victory of 1776, he said, had to be renewed, because the independence won from the British Empire then, was threatened by “economic royalists” who sought to enslave the people. We are in a war for the survival of our republic, FDR said, and you must rally with me to defend economic, as well as political independence, which, without economic justice, is only a facade.


  6. “Are we disposed to be of the number of those who, having eyes, see not, and, having ears, hear not, the things which so nearly concern their temporal salvation?” Patrick Henry
    I love this principle and it was never more important than in these days of surveillance by the NSA. In context, it reads, “Lord make the eyes that see blind” (These are those so arrogant that they think they see – NSA lackeys)’and make the eyes that see not to see” (those humble enough to acknowledge that they are wandering around blind in this world.) Used properly this allows one to walk unseen in crowds, or safely navigate cyberspace. Use it well. Happy Fourth!

  7. metrobusman says:

    I used to believe the things commentors have written here about the CONstitution until I saw the light. For a realistic look at what the Constitution really is and just how it was a break on the real revolution, a betrayal by the ruling class of the working class, read Terry Bouton’s superb Taming Democracy (Woody Holton’s and Ray Raphael’s books are also good). Or Charles Beard’s An Economic Interpretation of the Constitution.

    Or better yet, compare it to the original constitution, The Articles of Confederation.

    Or even better, read James Madison’s Notes on the Constitutional Congress. As he put it to the other counterrevolutionaries gathered at Philadelphia: “We need a government strong enough to protect our property from the commoner’s assemblies.”

    Yes, that’s right, America was self-governing, self-administered by local democratic assemblies federated nationally. The point of the Constitution was to outlaw these democratic intitutions and establish top-down, bureaucratic control over the country and its economy. And that’s precisely what it did.

    We shouldn’t celebrate the Constitution, we should mourn. It’s the Thermidorian reaction of the American Revolution.

  8. metrobusman says:

    A great analysis of the Constitution can be found here: http://www.nyu.edu/projects/ollman/docs/us_constitution.php

  9. HAL 9000 says:

    Right on metrobusman, I’m with you. Once one takes the time to read the scholarly research on the American revolution, then one has to accept that it was not the noble cause we have been spoon fed since childhood. I have read Woody Holton, and being in Virginia, I’ve read many other Virginia historians, such as T.H. Breen and Emory Evans. Have also researched extensively on slavery in Virginia.

    If one wants to celebrate the ideals expressed in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, I’m OK with that, but we really need to be honest about the motivations and actions of the leaders of the American revolution. Among the names mentioned here are Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Lincoln, and at the top right of page, Samuel Adams.

    Lincoln is a hero, yet he completely ignores the sentiment expressed in the excerpt quoted by Sibel from the Declaration of Independence. When South Carolina asserts the same rights as Jefferson asserted in the Declaration of Independence, Lincoln says F-you, provokes a fight at Fort Sumter then wages the bloodiest war in American history against his own people. As long as we’re citing “inspirational” documents, let’s take at look at the declaration of causes of secession by South Carolina. Tell me how Lincoln is justified in wholesale use of military force against the people of South Carolina (and in the interest of full disclosure, I lived from age 3 to 22 in Illinois, the Land of Lincoln) http://sunsite.utk.edu/civil-war/reasons.html#South%20Carolina

    One can’t justify Lincoln’s war on his own people on the basis of slavery. The author of the Declaration of Independence owned hundreds of slaves and had children by one of them. The military leader of the revolution owned hundreds of slaves as well. Slavery was a legitimate part of the Constitutional bargain made by the original 13 states. Apparently, in Lincoln’s mind, secession was justifiable in the case of the colonies from Britain, but not in the case of South Carolina from the United States. So much so, that he condoned a scorched earth policy against the South in order to deny its people their inalienable rights. Truth is the Civil War, like every other war, was not about slavery, it was about conflicting economic interests.

    As for Franklin, if one takes the time to read about his history, one will find much to admire. However, one will also discover that Franklin had no interest in revolution, i.e. changing the status quo, until his scheme for a land company in Ohio was quashed by the Crown and he was humiliated by Wedderburn in London. Likewise, the wealthy elite in Virginia were not interested in revolution until they saw no other way out from their debts, and as they became increasingly concerned about losing their grip on power and control over the slave and yoeman population of Virginia. Throw in the illegal rum traders behind the radicals in Boston, and a picture emerges that is very different from the one I was taught about the American revolution. It all came down to money and protecting the property and interests of the ruling class in America.

    And what about Sam Adams. This guy was the first terrorist of North America. He was behind the Boston Massacre. He was behind burning down Governor Hutchinson’s home in the middle of the night. He was behind the destruction of private property in Boston harbor. He was the man behind the incendiary propaganda in Boston. He was responsible for the destruction of much property and many lives.

    But Sam Adams is part of the great American Tradition mentioned by other commenters here. A tradition in which the ends justify the means. We know what is best so we are justified in pursuing our goals at any cost. Another part of that tradition is genocide and theft, after all, our white european ancestors systematically stole the land we claim is ours by right today from the original inhabitants of said land. And in order to completely wrest from the original land away from the inhabitants, we had to periodically massacre some of them and relegate the rest to small chunks of the poorest land around. Yes, we have a great tradition of hypocrisy that began at our national birth and continues today. And I assert that as long as we as a people perpetuate the myths of the American Revolution and refuse to acknowledge the hypocrisy and contradictions of our founders, we will not be able to fulfill the promise of the ideals expressed in our founding documents.

  10. tonywicher says:

    The last two comments have displayed their utter ignorance of the purpose of the Constitution and the Union. They are truly anti-American. I’m sure their authors would have been right at home in the Confederacy, which was a British operation. This kind of thinking is the result of hundreds of years of British Empire propaganda. The Constitution was written and the federal government formed to fight the economic domination of the British empire. Without it we were completely at its mercy economically. It included a Bank of the United States controlled by Congress to finance our industrial development and make us economically independent of the British. This Bank must be restored if we are to regain our sovereignty. We must have a strong central government to defend our liberties. Anarchists whether right or left just do the work of the Empire. The answer to bad government is not small government or weak government but good government, a strong government of, by and for the people.

  11. colinjames says:

    So happy to finally be able to afford to contribute, I’ve been a regular reader now for months and just wanted to say, thank you Sibel! I absolutely cherish your contributions, I’ve learned so much from this site and all your partners and contributors, to be a member of the enlightened class as opposed to the foolish (but sincere!) partisan liberal i was is a real blessing, and i couldn’t have done it without BFP, for one. THRILLED i can have accesses to all the content. Hello to everyone else here, aloha nui loa, Sibel I love you in the very platonic sense, i really can’t compliment you enough, thank you thank you thank you thank you! Wow do i sound like a teenage girl on a Bieber fan site? oh well. I’ve been waiting to sign up and donate for a long time, Only wish i could do more. Keep on doing exactly what you’re doing, the way you’re doing it, you’re a national treasure.

  12. tonywicher says:


    Welcome, brother former foolish but sincere partisan liberal!
    Did you support Obama in 2008 because (a) he was not white, and (b) he was not Bush, as I did? I did have my misgivings, but if you can imagine it, I was hoping he was Roosevelt, Martin Luther King, Kennedy, etc. Well of course as it turned out, Obama was a psychologically clever CIA insert meant precisely to bamboozle decent Roosevelt and Kennedy Democrats with nostalgia for the halcyon days of the Civil Rights movement. As soon as Obama got in office, after all that “Change You Can Believe In” turned into reassurances not to worry, there will be “continuity”. And not only was there continuity, but it was the continuity or an accelerating descent into fascism. It was about this time I discovered BFP and accepted Sibel’s challenge to reject and completely dissociate myself from party politics and from the Democrat-Republican false dichotomy. The same oligarchs control both major parties. It is really time to understand that there is only one puppeteer with puppets on his left and right hands. I believe there are probably also people at this site who might be described as “foolish but sincere former Republicans”, who may have voted for Bush in 2000, seeing him as preferable to the evil Al Gore. Here at this site we come together as honest Americans to understand clearly what has gone wrong and what needs to be done about it.

  13. colinjames says:

    to paraphrase Sinclair Lewis, when fascism comes to America it will do so thumping the Bible and wrapped in the flag. With a checking account at Bank of America, and a subscription to the Washington Post. Driving a Mercedes. Living in a gated McMansion community. Railing against illegal immigrants while employing Mexican maids. But i digress. Is it me or did anyone else notice less people decked out in Red White and Blue on the 4th?

  14. colinjames says:

    2008 i was cautiously optimistic about O, but thinking democrats would automatically undo W’s worst, fix the economy, fix voting, stop wars of aggression, give yes real health care reform, etc. in 2012 i thought lesser of 2 evils by a light year. Boy, was i wrong. Worse than Bush, and even worse i thought liberals spoofs for am that is hilly regardless of partisan concerns. The neutering of the left by having “our guy” in office is despicable. i still have the same values, I’m just no longer under any illusions about democrats. there’s a few good guys and girls, to a point, even on the right, but now i see our political class for what it is and isn’t, but the truth of things is my passion. And BFP, Corbett, P.C. Roberts, Pepe, Engdahl, Lahore, Chussodovsky… I’m still learning but my outlook has changed, i see the way keeping libs and republicans Lewis us divided and conquered, and who really rules the world. Not that i know all, but i believe in those people and more.

    Thank you for the warm welcome. look forward to conversing more. Cheers.

  15. colinjames says:

    swype errors! “i thought liberals stood for all that is holy, regardless of partisan concerns” my phone is terrible fore commenting.

  16. To be perfectly honest I voted for Obama. Here’s why. One, I believe that the Neo Conservatives and Romney wanted to attack Iran at all costs. My vote for Obama was strictly to keep us out of Iran, period. I queried someone in the Navy who was asking the same question. This Naval officer said this: “Those who are enlisted and the general rank and file wanted Romney. All those who have already been to Iraq or Afghanistan and high ranking officers wanted Obama.” Moreover, I was taking the same tact as Daniel Ellsberg on this concerning Iran. To be clear. I knew Obama was a shill, however. Obama came from complete obscurity and was puffed into the position of congressman and senator. That notwithstanding, I also knew that this would be the only opportunity for Democrats to finally realize their system is broken and that the messiah is a fraud. Obama has not disappointed me. In fact, he has gone to extremes in many ways. But keep in mind it was the Republican administration who put the framework in place. It was 9/11 and its False Flag that codified the road to tyranny.

    Some of you might say that I aided and abetted the system. I would have to say my vote was a limited hangout with time running out. Yes, I am a bit cynical on this matter when the American people refuse to wake up. So instead of appealing to reason which many will not do. I instead took the course of beating them over the head with the obvious. And that is showing how they lost their country across both sides of the aisle. My vote was purely tactical and I regret everyday that this nation had both Bush and Obama as presidents.

  17. @pick:

    Well, you sure had it all figured out, didn’t you. Now look what you’ve done. Better simplify next time and just vote for the best candidate you can find or stay out. The silly psychology game you think you’re advancing against “the democrats” is not working and doesn’t not absolve you of your sin. I call BS. You are the one who got played, in the end, and that costs all of us.

    Sorry to be harsh, but we have dealt with the least worse argument here what seems like a thousand times and I haven’t heard one gaming of the system that justified voting that way yet. BS. And Ellsberg and McGovern were addressed on this site for that sin of theirs too. They even went so far as to be displeased at the release of Sibel’s book, because they wanted her to wait until after the election. So, they promoted Obama, instead of Classified Woman. How about them apples?

    No excuse – voting for a war criminal, worse than bush, back-stabbing fraud can only be described as powerless, brain-washed, naive, or worse.

  18. HAL 9000 says:


    I feel your pain.

    But pick’s vote is part of that “great American tradition” that tonywicher exalts in his comments above. Americans have always been willing to rationalize immoral acts, injustice, and coercion in order to satisfy their needs or interests. Such rationalizations are a convenient way to bypass the responsibilities that come with the rights and freedom Americans claim to cherish so dearly. And they reduce those rights and freedom to mere lines on paper rather than a way of living – a solemn commitment to each other.

    These rationalizations and the actions that follow are born primarily out of fear and greed (or lust). It takes courage to live by the ideals expressed in our founding documents. It cannot be done if you value your life, liberty, property, and pursuit of happiness more than your neighbor’s. You have to commit to your neighbor’s freedom as firmly as to your own. It cannot be done if you value your life more than the ideals.

    Freedom also requires a commitment to active and continuous vigilance. Freedom cannot be passively acquired or maintained. So people must be ever vigilant against encroachments on their freedom. The most powerful tools to subvert your freedom are appeals to your base emotions, especially fear. Anyone who has made it to BFP knows that the most effective means to make such appeals is through propaganda, the repackaging of reality (truth) to condition your thinking. So free people must be as committed to questioning and validating information as they are to their basic daily needs. The truth is a basic need for those who desire to be free.

    If the ends justify the means, if we are going to rationalize denying freedom to some as necessary to securing it for others, if we are going to commit acts that we deem to be unjust when others do, if we are unwilling to face the risks and uncertainties of justice and freedom for all, then let’s stop pretending that the United States is something it is not, or ever has been. From its birth, this country has made these kinds of rationalizations.

    Let’s admit that Americans, despite their claims to the contrary, are no different than the other people on our planet, that they have the same hopes, fears and dreams others do. Let’s let go of our national myths and face the realities of human nature. Let’s admit that our founders were unable to live by the ideals they memorialized. The United States is like an addict who needs rehabilitation. The first step in that process is to admit what you are and what you have done. Only then can you start again and build a new life enlightened by the mistakes of your past.

  19. @Xicha,

    Don’t be naive. Where were you for the last 25 years when I was screaming that the game was in place. Yeah, you and the many who get caught up in the Hegelian dialectic just looked at me like I was being played. There are no good candidates. Get that BS out of your head. There are only useful policies and programs. In Obama’s case, the program I voted for WAS TO STAY OUT OF IRAN, PERIOD. So far, Ellsberg and I have been proven correct. And more importantly I now have some Democrats and Republicans coming back to me and saying I was right.

    As for voting for a war criminal at least I did not vote for a president who allowed 9/11 to happen under his watch, gave us to trumped up wars and a housing bubble to boot. But this is all a matter picking over spoiled fruit. Sorry to be “harsh.”

    Incidentally, over the years I have voted for Nader, Chuck Baldwin and Ron Paul. I would have voted for Mickey Mouse if his platform was to stay out of Iran. Iran would have been the worst disaster for this country and we would have never learned the dark side of the Liberal Agenda. Now everyone can now see how the “transnational corporate/CFR/Military system really works. And it ain’t for our interests. Now, How about them apples?!

  20. HAL 9000 wrote:

    “But pick’s vote is part of that “great American tradition” that tonywicher exalts in his comments above. Americans have always been willing to rationalize immoral acts, injustice, and coercion in order to satisfy their needs or interests. Such rationalizations are a convenient way to bypass the responsibilities that come with the rights and freedom Americans claim to cherish so dearly. And they reduce those rights and freedom to mere lines on paper rather than a way of living – a solemn commitment to each other.”

    pick Says:

    A very astute analytical article, Sibel. After reading David Ray Griffin’s book – “9/11, Ten Years later, two inescapable conclusions have cemented my thoughts. One, is power. What people fear they will gravitate towards so as not to be a casualty. People will embrace power hoping that they too will have control over that control. Michio Kaku a theoretical physicist at CUNY might liken this to the “caveman principle.” A principle which all humans have in common concerning survival. It is the old paradigm of spirituality versus materialism. A baseness which social Darwinism exploits between the have and have nots.

    The second variable is the one that confronts us tactically. It is the “Nationalistic Faith.” The belief that government is good and would never do the such heinous crimes, such as 9/11, on its people. It blinds such reasoned men as Bill Moyers and William Parry. Two who have fought over the years, in varying degrees, against government corruption. But, for Moyers and Parry to admit that our government is indeed capable of such nefarious acts toward Americans would require that they reevaluate their own belief system. Moreover, by evaluating their cognitive dissonance and its accompanying “Nationalistic Faith” would mean that they invalidate their system of truth. Yes, for Moyers and Parry they cannot serve two masters yet do so through subconscious default.

    Please HAL, could you please leave the “Jimmy Stewart” Nationalistic Faith” hymn out of it.

  21. HAL 9000 says:


    I abandoned my nationalistic faith many years ago. Did you even read my post? Here are a couple quotes from it:

    ” . . . let’s stop pretending that the United States is something it is not, or ever has been.”

    “Let’s let go of our national myths . . .”

    Now let’s hear that rationalization again that you used to justify voting to return Obama to the White House a second time.

  22. Amen

  23. Amen to Sybel’s article that is.

  24. Hal wrote:

    “Now let’s hear that rationalization again that you used to justify voting to return Obama to the White House a second time.”

    Hal, please read carefully. TO STAY OUT OF IRAN! Ok, I’ll say it again just to make sure I am clear – TO STAY OUT OF IRAN! Let’s do it one more time – TO STAY OUT OF IRAN!

  25. HAL 9000 says:

    So if your goal was to stay out of Iran you could have voted for a guy named Ron Paul, who not only would have stayed out of Iran, but would have left Afghanistan and Iraq, closed Guantanamo Bay Prison, and ended the drone strikes – and that’s just for starters. There was only one anti-war candidate, and it was not Barack Obama. Are you relieved that Obama chose to go into Syria instead of Iran?

    Given that Obama did not keep his word on any foreign policy matters in his first term, why would you trust his word on anything?

    Gotta go now, I promised Harvey I would go on a walk with him after dinner.

  26. Yes, keep repeating it, pick. It must have been repeated a hundred times when it first was implanted into your brain. Who was talking when that happened? Was it BFP? I don’t think so.

    So, you’re actually proud that you helped keep us out of Iran by voting for Obama. Wow. Last time I checked we were well on our way. Got some nice escalation in Syria. Got some nice threats, nice sanctions, nice cyber-war (heard of stuxnet?).

    Where is it that you’re getting the news anyway? Same place that told you who to vote for?

  27. HAL 9000 says:

    Harvey reminded me, it was Gary Johnson, who was on the ballot, not Ron Paul.

  28. Hal & Xicha,

    I care enough for the Iranian people not to vote for a candidate (Ron Paul) who would never be elected. Here’s where you two are missing the picture – It is called the Boiling Frog. Did someone just turn the heat all the way up? You bet. By voting for Obama we found out ten-fold what the NSA is about. Republicans and Democrats alike are criminals. Now it is time to vote for a third party. There is now no ambiguity between the parties. Got it….

  29. pick,

    There hadn’t been any ambiguity before and unfortunately the dems still don’t see that.

    Both candidates will continue to be bought and paid for, picked by the establishment. Those who aren’t “viable” will still be pushed out – we, as individuals need to stay strong and not be afraid to lose another election. Vote for the best candidate – that’s the only way independents will get stronger. Those who would, but decide to play some game, are the ones who parrot the “not viable” line almost more than the MSM, and it’s to our detriment.

    Soon, you’ll have another chance to make it all worse, so the dems will finally see the error of their ways. Unfortunately, you’ll just be adding fuel to the fire below this pot.

    Until you decide to stop parroting the lesser of two evils line and the non-viable line. You and Ellsberg and so many others who should not be mouthpieces for the establishment.

  30. Xicha,

    I voted to prevent WWIII. That is where my support against Romney begins and ends. Now both Democrats and Republicans can CLEARLY SEE THE HANDWRITING ON THE WALL. There is no partisan politics nor ideologies. Now its time for all Americans to put up or shut up under the constitution. Here’s how:

    One, term limits. Two, vote everyone in congress out now. Three, no appointed federal judges. Four, pull out of all so-called Free Trade Acts. Five, get rid of American involvement in the WTO. Six, rescind the National Security Act ASAP. Seven, start issuing non-interest bearing currency. Eight, disclose to the American people the existence of the comprehensive annual financial reports. These are some points which we can get back our country.

    Now, am I adding “fuel to the fire?”

  31. No, you didn’t. But, you think you did, I guess, and no one is going to tell you any different.

    You will add fuel to the fire if you vote least worse again. When you find that all your suggestions are not actually on the table come the next election and you decide to fend off the “worse evil”. You were played. It didn’t matter which one was elected. Just admit it and move on.

  32. Understand that the two parties have the same owner and let your logic flow from there.

  33. Really? Thank you for your informative advice. I shall move on now.

  34. I voted for this man 4 times and Rocky once. I have no regrets about that. I don’t need to imagine some convoluted cause and effect to rationalize or justify my votes. There is simply a basic integrity that goes along with choosing the candidate who represents your own values. It’s not dependent upon things turning out the way you want them to. It’s the other way around. This integrity lasts forever and things turn out the way you want them to beause of it. Yes that’s right. Because I voted with integrity, I have increased the chances of and taken a step towards things turning out the way I want them to turn out. If all the people who wanted to vote for Nader would have and also would have promoted it, instead of telling themselves and others that he wasn’t viable (because they were brainwashed into doing so using fear), Nader would have had the votes. The irony was that the people who wanted him are the ones who stopped him.

  35. I think Daniel Ellsberg also has integrity when He lobbied to put Obama in instead of Romney. His vote was predicated on the swing states which was up for grabs by the Republicans. Ellsberg knew that the Neo-Conservative agenda was tactically more dangerous for this country if the Romney got it. It was about Iran. It is why Admiral Fallon would not go into Iran by declaring – “Not on my watch.” Fallon lost his job because of this and was persona non grata from thereon after. Again, I do not care for Obama one iota. I understand the animal. Make no mistake. However, Iran is THE endgame in the lose/lose geopolitical brinksmanship if our nation became embroiled in it. So far, Obama as much as we dislike what he has done has kept us out of Iran.

    Again, my vote was against Romney, period. It was about keeping American boots out of Iran. How’s that for rational? Now where we…?

  36. “So far, Obama as much as we dislike what he has done has kept us out of Iran.”

    Not true
    sanctions on Iran (arguably an act of war)
    cyber-war (definitely an act of war)
    escalation in Syria (mutual defense agreement with Iran)

    You said yourself that now the game was over and it’s time to vote third party. Will this change if the next Republican talks about bombing Iran? I don’t believe the “tactically more dangerous” scare tactics. Again, the same establishment controls both parties.

  37. Obama has also been in charge of de-listing terrorists from being labeled as terrorists (MEK), so they could go into Iran and cause a little trouble.

  38. I mean so Obama could help them do it.

  39. Do you know the difference between a “HOT WAR” and a covert war? Covert wars will continue regardless of what party gets in. Yes, now that the Democrats have wised up and the messiah is not who they thought he would be and the Republicans are bought and sold by the Neo-Conservative lobby then Americans will begin to look at the corrupt system as a whole. We have now afforded the “tactical” time where everyone finally gets it and that both parties are controlled which I have never said otherwise. Where you and I are at odds is the time equation. You think we have time for everyone to vote with integrity and wisdom for a righteous and viable candidate. We don’t. As you say the American people are too brainwashed. How are you going to break that training?

    Sometimes with a thick headed culture like ours only a hammer will work. And MEK crosses both sides of the aisle, but it has yet to cause a HOT war. You still have time to instill integrity and wisdom in the American people. Get it?

  40. It has gotten hotter, since Bush. That’s my point.

    I have been trying to break through the fear tactics.

    Obama is still the messiah to enough. You will be faced with the same least worse choice next time. They are BOTH bought and sold by the same lobbies. You are simply imagining, because a seed has been implanted in your brain, that there is this giant tactical difference. If Romney were elected, it would have gone about the same, IMO. Hotter.

    You are wasting valuable time, because, guess what? You will not vote third party next time. You will be scared into least worse democrat. Tell me why not. You really think there will be more access for third parties? No, not without some brave souls consistently voting for them first. We don’t have time for least worse voting, because it will never end. Get it – got it – good.

  41. Xicha,

    Sigh…. Have a nice day.

  42. You’re missing an “r”.

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