DisInfoWars with Tom Secker: Who the Hell are ISIS, Anyway?


ISIS are a terrifying, devastating Sunni militia that emerged out of the Iraqi insurgency and the anti-Assad jihad … except they aren't particularly religious! And their origin story makes no sense. And militarily speaking they are a joke who could be wiped out within weeks if NATO wanted that. In this episode I take a sideways look at the Islamic State, which isn't very Islamic and isn't a state, and ask what they really are, if anything. I focus in on two elements of their PR that have been particularly effective: the development of the Al Qaeda myth (of which ISIS are an offshoot) and the beheading videos of 2014. I wrap up by suggesting that ISIS are the first truly postmodern terrorist group, who exist almost entirely as a media entity.

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  1. Much appreciated, Tom!

    Cheers and keep up the outstanding work – I really do appreciate it.

  2. The public isn’t willing or able to accept the bleeding obvious if it causes them to question their own beliefs, but they can accept the most ridiculous and insane fabrications if those reaffirms their beliefs.

    Today I read the US rejects any notion the Turkish authorities are involved in buying stolen oil from IS.

    —-
    U.S. State Department spokesman Mark Toner categorically rejected Russia’s allegations.

    “We never said oil smuggling from ISIL is not a problem,” he said, using an alternative acronym for IS. But “there is no Turkish government complicity in some operation to buy illegal oil from ISIL. We just don’t believe that to be true in any way, shape or form.”
    —–

    There you have it. You’ve been told what to believe. Never mind the video the Russians just showed of “thousands of oil trucks streaming from the IS-controlled deposits in Syria and Iraq into Turkish sea ports and refineries.” Think about in what kind of anarchy and lawlessness the Turkish State should be in before these things could happen without any involvement from Ankara. With it’s second largest standing military force in NATO. Yet these convoys drive in and out of Turkey but to think the Turkish government is involved, no “we just don’t believe that to be true in any way, shape or form.”

    Speaking about imagination, think about the gap between the reality and where the MSM-pickled general public resides. I don’t claim to know reality but I do know that this oil smuggling business is nothing in comparison with whats really been going on. The direct funding, arming, equipping, training and so on of these IS mercenaries. It’s our own damn proxy army for Pete’s sake.

    Anyway, to add one aspect to your elegant expose; Sunnistan or Redrawing the map of the Middle East. The ambition to redraw or Balkanize the Middle East goes back a long time. Throughout this entire war on terror era it pokes up now and again. “Biden proposes partitioning Iraq into 3 regions” is one I remembered. Or more recent a piece in the New York Times: “How 5 Countries Could Become 14”
    This area held by IS as their ‘caliphate’, carved out of Iraq and Syria, pretty much coincides with the Sunni State we see on many redrawn map proposals.
    Now the proclaimed US position and strategy of ‘containing IS’ might actually be very close to the truth. Creating a fait accompli, an accomplished fact.

    • Richard,

      Certainly the idea to balkanise the Middle East, in particular Asia Minor, has been around for a while. I do think that in general the worldview of a lot of politicians is of certain select major powers, and everyone else divided into meaningless micro-states, dependent on the major states for their security.

      I don’t disagree with anything you wrote.

  3. Excellent. One thing you missed out and it may or may not be important to the theme of this particular podcast, is the link between SITE Intelligence Group and those videos. They seem to be the first ones to release them every time, both in 2004 and 2014. But again, I understand the point of this piece is probably more about deconstructing the logic (or lack of) and the psychological aspect of this operation.

  4. Great stuff as usual, Tom. I love the Jihadi in “ninja pajamas” comment, that never gets old 😉

    On a related note:

    There’s a creepy interlude on the underground hip hop group Company Flow’s 1997 album “Funcrusher Plus”, entitled “Help Wanted”, which features various sound bites from some sort of retro future dystopia. Apparently the following quote comes from the 1973 film “The Holy Mountain”, produced by Beatles manager Allen Klein.

    “My name is Sel. My planet is Saturn. My customers are children. We have an electronic computer, programmed with the politics of the government. The government is our client. We feed the computer data on coming wars and revolutions. It tells us what kind of toys to produce to condition children from birth.”

    When I was a kid, I remember the arch villain of G.I. Joe was “Cobra”, who donned a sort of militant/ninja/pajama outfit, complete with a burqa-style hood (I guess to provided “equal opportunity” gender anti-Arab discrimination). I still remember, his sort of “catch phrase” (or what have you) was “Cobra la,la,la,la,la”, where the ending “la,la,la,la,la…” is quite similar to the ululation (high pitched vocalizations) often heard at Middle Eastern wedding celebrations for example. There was definitely a distinct “Middle Eastern” terrorist vibe to this Cobra group and, not surprisingly, the Middle East has indeed been the primary theatre US manufactured wars throughout my life.

    No real surprises here, but interesting nonetheless.

    • Interesting and entertaining post 🙂

      Think there is much truth to it. Entertainment is heavily used for propaganda and social engineering purposes, reinforcing beliefs and prepping he public, and it follows TV-series and movies aimed at kids are of particular interest for TPTB. Get them while their young no?

      “Valentino’s Ghost” maybe of interest if you haven’t seen it yet.


      “In 1920s Hollywood, the Arab was a hero, as played by the iconic actor Rudolph Valentino in his “Sheik” movies.

      By the 1970s, Arabs and Muslims were depicted as embodiments of evil, not only in Hollywood films, but in children’s cartoons, the news, TV sitcoms, and even on radio.

      What happened?”

    • albatross0612 says:

      I was just talking about how the scariest thing from the middle east when i was a kid was “Jafar” from Aladdin and dancing to A Whole New World at the middle school dance.

      Look at He-Man who wears a Crusader Cross on his chest, and the Villian Skelator is literally a hooded assassin. Your comment is spot on Benny.

    • BennyB,

      No doubt. All I have to add to mention the name Louis Marx, the toy manufacturer who focused on producing military toys to promote the military. There is also a weird mention of him in the CIA’s online document database:
      http://www.spyculture.com/back-when-the-cia-deliberately-cherished-anonymity/

      A letter from Walter Bedell Smith to Louis Marx says ‘In dough business your department is production. Mine is distribution. Stick to your own department and wear your robe.’ Some sort of mobster joke? Something about an actual disagreement over responsibility for different aspects of propaganda operations? An oddity, for sure.

  5. Ribbit-Mark says:

    Great coverage Tom in stating the obvious.

    As always we here at BFP (the irate minority) are left scratching our heads wondering why the general public can’t see the obvious.

    Because if they could, they would never allow the MSM to keep pouring out the same ol’ IS BS, day after day after day.

  6. The first postmodern terrorist group. I like that. I’ll trust CuChulainn to supply the Guy Debord references, but I can’t resist throwing in a little Baudrillard:

    “So, for example, you put forward the idea of simulacrum, without really believing in it, even hoping that the real will refute it…Alas, only the fanatical supporters of reality react; reality, for its part, does not seem to wish to prove you wrong. Quite to the contrary, every kind of simulacrum parades around in it. And reality, filching the idea, henceforth adorns itself with all the rhetoric of simulation. It is the simulacrum which ensures the continuity of the real today, the simulacrum which now conceals not the truth, but the fact that there isn’t any — that is to say, the continuity of the nothing…No longer is it theories which adapt to events, but the reverse.”
    — Jean Baudrillard, The Perfect Crime

    • John,

      ISIS more than any other group or individual terrorist seem to embody this. They are a joke in every sense except their worldview, which is by no means a joke. And that’s the justification we’ve been given in this country for getting more involved in Syria – ISIS believe in truly horrible things, so they deserve to die. Even if I believe in the first half, the second is simply fascistic.

      So, for all Baudrillard saw this before virtually everyone else, I think it’s important to remain grounded. Though I do love the excerpts you’re throwing out there.

  7. Collective madness – either the world leaders are corrupt or are mentally corrupted to a level of being incapable of tying their own shoelaces. I don’t discount the latter reason in some cases as to why the most obvious question is not being posed in the same breath as ‘monsters – nous sommes bombs away’. ie. WHO is buying the stolen oil? The oil that is funding this worst of the worst, the army big enough to stump the might of the US and NATO.

    As for the masses – I think people are so distracted by all the distractions thrown in their path there simply aren’t enough unoccupied brain cells left to ask themselves ‘Well, who the hell is buying this oil? Surely if we stop their source of funding, the stuff that apparently explains their vastness and invicibility, then they’re screwed aren’t they? So, why aren’t ‘they’ shutting it down the way ‘they’ cut off supply to Wikileaks?

    Everyone has a Smart Phone now (that name surely a perverse joke, like co-opting the benevolent goddess of mothering, nurturing and general caring, Isis, for a murderous bunch of brain dead male women-hating zombies) attached to their hands, making them dumber by the second, 24 hour television, online streaming of many many time-consuming entertainment goodies, add in the hours devoted to the economic slavery system kindly brought to us by the Ponzi banking system – it doesn’t leave a lot of time for introspection. What rotten luck!

    We literally don’t even have time or the energy to look up at the Universe in which we live.

    The irrational idiots running this pantomime, don’t connect dots very well – which is why it’s pointless to approach their reasoning with a logical debate. They think like children – damaged scared paranoid children.

    I don’t think anyone here ever bought ISIS as anything other than the next act in the pantomime. Pretty soon they will have run out of ideas – I mean, how do you top the ”worst of the worst’. Backed themselves into a corner witth that one….dots…joinng….can’t.

    I’m sure we’d all like 10 mins alone with our leaders to ask some very simple obvious sane grown-up questions.

    • Same reason they didnt shut off Bin Ladens bank account. Sure are quick to cut the frone pilot WBs though.

    • Ribbit-Mark says:

      Everyone has a Smart Phone now (that name surely a perverse joke…
      The phone may or may not be smart, but that doesn’t make the end user smart as well. 🙂

      The irrational idiots running this pantomime, don’t connect dots very well – which is why it’s pointless to approach their reasoning with a logical debate. They think like children – damaged scared paranoid children.

      I had to re-read the above line of thought several times before I could make sense of it.
      The ones running the whole thing don’t need to connect the dots because they are in total control (have everything figured out already).
      It would make more sense if “The irrational idiots *watching* this pantomime, don’t connect dots very well…”

      I’m sure we’d all like 10 mins alone with our leaders to ask some very simple obvious sane grown-up questions.

      Well not alone, for that wouldn’t stick. Much better if there were a room full of journalists present and a LIVE TV feed going out to the world networks. 🙂

      • If they had total control they wouldn’t need to bother manufacturing a pretense. The more they try to control everything, the faster they will come undone.

        The pantomime of violence and scheming is their construct. Their lack of dot joining is why they think they can actually win, can actually have total control.They are too damaged to know that whatever the outcome, they lose.

        • Ribbit-Mark says:

          If they had total control they wouldn’t need to bother manufacturing a pretense. The more they try to control everything, the faster they will come undone.

          Of course they manufacture pretenses. I’m talking about their total control of the pretenses and everything after that; except for the occasional brilliant chess move like Russia joining the fray in Syria.

          The pantomime of violence and scheming is their construct. Their lack of dot joining is why they think they can actually win, can actually have total control.They are too damaged to know that whatever the outcome, they lose

          Ah, but they are winning, they do have total control, as much as I hate to admit it.
          Witness 9/11 and all of their invasions that have taken place since.
          Does that mean we should give up? Absolutely not!

          • The fact we can have this exchange proves they don’t have total control. They can try, they can do damage, they can make life miserable for a while. But they will always be outnumbered, and they will always be undone by their delusional ambiition.

            Every day they move closer to demise at their own hands. History is full of those impaled upon the illusion of total control.

  8. Jan Hulsbergen says:

    Toom Thank you for your spot-on analytical views.
    In my opinion, the ‘way of working’ of IS, or previously al quaida, is not something that a loose group of chased-after terrorists could ever accomplish in our society that is structurally suppressed by the US/NATO with their political clout, military and communications power. In this way of working there are similarities, and a level of progress in terms of ‘target marketing’. Apparently there is an ‘orgainsation’ or a ‘management level’ that achieves a certain quality. Therefore, the development, the planing and execution of attacks take place under an umbrella that is not in the media, but very present. To me, Gladio points to where this organisation could possibly originate from and the growth of Gladio-type operations (Europe -> Turkey & Caspian ->MENA) is an expansion that can be explained.
    The effects, and therefore the purposes of Al Quaida, IS and Gladio are similar though at a different scale: polarizing of sub-groups in an established socio-political region. The ‘strategy of tension’ as it is called in the Gladio-setting. If this is true, the knowledge, access to communication, transport and tools, and the motives lie within NATO and the US. In fact, where else could it possibly come from? Behind aggressors as NATO, US Defense (incl. CIA, Homeland Sec etc) and also the militant groups are parties with unlimited access to cash who operate above the law, in transport corridors that are not subject to the checks the man and his dog are subjected to: From what I know, the only people who match this profile are the money printers and their disciples.

  9. Reported treatment of journalists and prisoners in the geographic areas of concern, keeps the field clean of independent check, so the ‘narrative source’ appears to remain in the offices of SITE and special plans.

    The mixing – organized production – of ‘real and fantasy’ reporting [Anderson COOPER/green screen], is designed to destabilize observer [average Joe] internal/family dialogue as well as control narrative direction .. human anxieties run deep, and inability for individuals to differentiate truth/lie certainty, or violence real/unreal-certainty, and question it, is ably assisted by drama violence ‘normalization’ seen as everyday TV , as your Hollywood/CIA pods discuss:- violence as entertainment.
    It made me think of Boston in particular. The OCT produced three ‘dead’, thirteen? amputations, and two hundred and twenty something seriously wounded’ in a public street bombing cleared of all wounded/dead in 15 minutes more-or-less: a watershed moment in ER. To clear a site of that complexity in that time can only be considered pavRovian “we are empire now/new reality” . The difference made staggeringly clear by the carnage filmed recently in Turkey showing just how public bombings work, and just how long it takes for emergency services to deal with mass casualty. Also, Bologna, 1980.

    To be able to pull these deceptions – I keep having to remind myself of this – can only be understood by recognizing the deception of 911 as benchmark -conduit- for ALL since come as ‘result’. Illusions at these extraordinary levels bruise the already stunned ‘rationale’; the ‘normal’ human capacity to contest and judge – especially since they are so successful – many conversations at BFP have discussed this – empowering the networks of psychological control-by-deception to ever greater purpose.

    That ISIS just so happen to be strategically helpful to western power interests ‘containing’ Syria/Iran while allowing intended ‘coalition [NATO] cover to destroy ASSAD; while transporting thousands of truck loads of OIL in loooooong convoys under the watchful surveillance superstate USAMO, adds to the argument.

    Speaking of crISIS oil :
    http://www.alaraby.co.uk/english/features/2015/11/26/raqqas-rockefellers-how-islamic-state-oil-flows-to-israel/
    http://www.marsecreview.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/PAPER-on-CRUDE-OIL-and-ISIS.pdf

  10. truth/lie at work: superstate protecting the crime scene hahaha.

    • The point of this barbarity HAS to be to denigrate the very act of ‘journalism’ itself, this scene being the poster child. Insane.

    • Jan Hulsbergen says:

      Cmopromising evidence also happened within 24 hours after the 911 attacks: removing the remains and, accordingly, evidence. Another part of a signature?

      • Hah! I forgot to check this one the first time around, remo. Yet again, the propaganda fails even to meet daytime television crime investigation standards of credibility.

        I was talking with my cousin last night and I said that if there’s one positive side to these sorts of Fisher Price propaganda theatrics it’s the fact that it makes our jobs as advocates for the truth easier when it comes to exposing the fraudulent nature of these terror attacks and the way they’re reported. The deep state has become so sloppy and cavalier with this stuff that once something like the new site starts to reach a wider audience this will come back to bite them in the ass. As mad as this stuff makes me, looking at it that way makes me feel better and even mildly optimistic.

      • I didn’t realize this was that incident. That throws a different angle on things, but the point from before remains the same. I still haven’t heard any details about what happened in the San Bernardino shooting other than the fact that there was some sort of argument which went down before the guy left and came back with his wife. I don’t know what to make of it, but it seems like a rather bizarre sequence of events. That’s not to make light of it or imply anything specific…

  11. Ribbit-Mark says:

    I still haven’t heard any details about what happened in the San Bernardino shooting other than the fact that there was some sort of argument which went down before the guy left and came back with his wife. I don’t know what to make of it, but it seems like a rather bizarre sequence of events.

    Yes, not your ‘typical’ terrorist attack where the terrorists have no connection with the victims whatsoever.
    I mean come on, let’s get real here.

    • Not quite sure if you’re trying to take a piss out of me here or what. Anyway…

      It’s a real thorn in my side that it’s only “acceptable” for the president to address the “perversion” of Islam that leads to acts of terrorism, but not able to address the legacy of white supremacy in America that lead to the shootings at the black church in North Carolina, or the perversion of the pro life movement which has lead to attacks like the recent one in Oregon. I’m not making excuses for Muslim terrorists by any means, but I just can’t stand the hypocrisy, particularly when it’s western intelligence who are largely responsible, either directly or indirectly, for these sorts of attacks.

      I’m sorry, I know I’ve made similar statements here other times, but it really pisses me off having to deal with this so often in America, so I find it necessary to vent somewhere where I know there are others who can appreciate my frustration.

      • Woops, I think the assault on planned parenthood was in Colorado, no?

      • Ribbit-Mark says:

        Not quite sure if you’re trying to take a piss out of me here or what. Anyway…

        On the contrary Benny. I was agreeing with you about it seeming like a bizarre sequence of events.
        Muslim terrorists don’t typically chose their workplace (if they have one) as a place to strike.

        It’s a real thorn in my side that it’s only “acceptable” for the president to address the “perversion” of Islam that leads to acts of terrorism, but not able to address the legacy of white supremacy in America that lead to the shootings at the black church in North Carolina, or the perversion of the pro life movement which has lead to attacks like the recent one in Oregon.

        You did a lot better than me Benny. I had to stop watching after the first minute when Obama referred to Al-Qaeda as having carried out 9/11.

        • Thanks for the clarification, Mark =]

          Yeah, I was in a public place but I somehow managed to hold it together, but when he said something about working with Turkish allies to secure borders to prevent ISIL from doing one thing or another, I couldn’t keep my mouth shut, but I managed to limit it to “yeah, right” (with a lot of dramatic emphasis). Obama’s comment was like saying “we’re working with Bill Cosby to prevent sexual assault against women”.

          I’m trying to avoid letting myself get sucked into the negativity, focusing on the limited opportunities where I can inject some proactive “food for thought” into my day to day conversations, but the hype, hyperbole, and hypocrisy has been on full blast lately, swirling around like flies in a barn filled with horse sh!t… with a bunch of idiots wildly spraying cans of raid in the air indiscriminately to no effect (an appropriate analogy for US/NATO’s “strategy” in Syria as well).

          Anyway… I’m excited about and looking forward to the new media venture. =D

  12. Explains why the quality of sitcoms has gone downhill – all the writers are working for the Feds.

  13. A sense of humour is a must in these times. 🙂

  14. – Yes, the US (+ NATO) could destroy in a matter of weeks. And no, that’s not what the US wants. Because the US has made a deal with Saudi Arabia in 2013 (2014 ???). The US is/was allowed to make a deal with Iran on the vastly overblown threat of the iranian nuclear program (No, Iran stopped the development of nuclear weapons in 2003 because the US deposed Iran’s arch enemy called Saddam Hoessein). And Saudi Arabia was given free reign in Yemen & to help ISIS with money & weapons.

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