Spotlight with Sibel & Spiro- You Be the Jury: Should Laws & Ethics Apply to the CIA?!

In this episode of Newsbud’s Spotlight with Sibel & Spiro we present our viewers with a vastly different aspect of the CIA’s Sabrina De Sousa conviction and extradition case. We invite you to be the jury (and the judge) in this interesting, philosophical and political discussion: Guilty Verdict, or Not, in the CIA’s De Sousa Extradition Case involving CIA’s Rendition Operations (Read: Kidnaping, torture and assassinations without warrants or probable cause)? Should laws, humanitarian values and ethics apply to the CIA (including CIA’s Rendition & Torture Operations)? Is sympathy deserved in the De Sousa Extradition Case? Please join our comments section below and provide us with your take and vote.

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Show Notes

Wikipedia: Sabrina De Sousa

YouTube: Newsbud Report with Peter B. Collins- Episode 4

YouTube: Newsbud Report with Peter B. Collins- Episode 3

The Guardian: Former CIA officer faces extradition to Italy over Abu Omar kidnapping

RT: Former CIA agent blames Bush, Rice for kidnapping of Egyptian cleric in Italy

Vice: Ex CIA Officer Facing Imprisonment Says Hilary Clinton is Partially to Blame

Convicted CIA Spy Says "We Broke The Law"

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  1. I thought I should point out some tuings, although many likely do not apply to this woman.

    1) We have a real issue in society with revetence/idolization of authority and a concept that effects a feeling of safety in fitting in and complying with institutional and societal standards which many times are not based on any sense of good, but instead on feeling good and right in complying with immoral societal and institutional standards. In cases like those with Cian, we definately need to welcome them forward and provide them a safe place to do so. Not to make them heroes or anything like that, but provide them an outlet in which they can change from being pillars of the immoral institutional society to people who will let us know what is going on and scrape off that shiny veneer of our psychopathic bullshit society. People like him help change society toward what it ahould be. And frankly I think people like him genuinely do no realize the real damage they are causing initially. In the case of a fighter pilot (I know he wasn’t one) it could even take years to wake up as they are removed from the damage they cause. A soldier on the ground may smoke himself silly on marijuanna to make it all go away. But the key interest is that they start to speak against it and move us toward a less psychopathic society. Which is apparently a real threat to the system. I started to finish Puzzling People again, ajd noticed that DARPA is actually developing a “helmet of obedience” to ensure psychopathoc behavior amongst troops. Our society takes what would be good people, and twists them into murderers. I pity both them and their victims. Although I doubt I would pity them if I were a victim of them.

    2) This woman does not appear to be showing regret. I haven’t seen much of this case though. What do we do about people like her though? On the one hand, attracting them with pity does destabilize the system as it gives them an outlet and gives us data. On the other hand the punishment also destabilizes the system, but does not give us data. It is an opportunity to get data and such opportunities shouldn’t be missed, but neither should opportunites to punish those who are truly unrepentant. Is there a way to play that to get both the data and the punishment?

    3) Perhaps it is best to deal with this using a broader brush. We establish new standards, and in our f-ed up society, not complying with orders to torture, for example, would be the start of the setting of new standards, as Sibel has done with her criticism, and as the Italians will do with the prison sentance. Especially with the more well established people like her, 25 years in and plenty of time to wake up. And waking up is a good way to put it as before the awakening it is like being in a brain fog from what I can tell. Demand some form of activism from those who woke up and did something, like Cian. And use people like Cian to show what the emotional pain of going along to get along can be.

    I think with many of these people the moral weakness is taught. We need to encourage them to trust their moral instinct, and to not be afraid of, or feel awkward in, questioning authority and society.

  2. Although, what do we do with people like that lady Peter interviewed about bwing harrassed with EM weapons? Apparently she was an intel gatherer that enabled the destruction of Iraq. And it likely may not have even been possible if not for her. But she likely thought she was doing a good thing at the time.

    Where do we draw the lines?

  3. I had initially thought to forgive all such people. But what if they are just psychopaths trying to run from what they have earned, instead of people doing what is right?

    And is the greater good of getting data and dispelling the myth of goodness that aurrounds society/institutions/authority mutually exclusive from punishing those who really earned it? Is the punishing more important than the data mining or vice versa? Which ones really earned it?

  4. CuChulainn says:

    is she an agent or an officer? a wet jobs operative?
    De Sousa has apparently argued that only senior CIA officers who planned and authorized the Milan operation should be held accountable. But this is legally wrong: all those who take part in a crime wittingly, that is in full knowledge that they are doing so, are equally responsible with the planners, kingpins or funders who directly commission it. And though she may seek to suggest she was a mere file clerk, one look at her face should dispel that notion.

    in this interview on a slick and savvy site we learn about Sy Hersh, GG, Jeremy Scahill and other defenders of true whistleblowers–

  5. I thought Hersh was owned. * confused*

  6. I was just reminded of Smedley Butler by PCR. The man spent his life slaughtering people for entities like the United Fruit Company. And yet he woke up and went about the country preaching about the evils of war. In his acts he would make even De Sousa look harmless. I am very conflicted on how to categorize him. And I really need some consistent stance which to view all these people like Butler, De Sousa, and Westmoreland. I cannot hate Cian. Could possibly hate De Sousa. Would I hate or not hate Butler? There really needs to be a consistent way to address these people. We need to encourage their positive behavior somehow.

  7. The “‘law’ Ms De Sousa was part of delivering, ultimately, is Guantanamo. A corruption best described by the prosecution of KSM where ‘destroying evidence in favour of the defence’ – in conspiracy with the Judge of the case – is sanctioned [”The prosecution further informed the defense, and Military Judge, that the government never had any intention of disclosing the material, exculpatory evidence to the defense, and in the future it will not disclose similar evidence to the defense, irrespective of the sanctions that the Military Commission might impose for the government’s willful behavior” [Appellate Exhibit 425(KSM) Page 7 of 34]]
    Being legally accountable for kidnap must be universally enforced; is ‘proper’ law properly applied, so yes, vote for her case to proceed. But Italian authorities have wrangled other members of the rendition team out of prosecution? means her prosecution is as crippled as the rendition she was to participate in.
    Is that sexism at work ?
    They should ALL be going to ‘dungeon.’

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