Elon Musk’s “Socialism” and the Hegelian Dialectic

Back in June of this year, tech entrepreneur and multi-billionaire Elon Musk tweeted that he’s actually a “socialist”.  He also tweeted that 19th Century philosopher Karl Marx was a “capitalist”.  Yes, you heard correctly.  Hilarity subsequently ensued online in the ‘Tweet-osphere’ and among Musk observers.

Now, seeing how near-fictionally busy Musk is and has been for over two decades in founding and heading up multiple successful tech firms, perhaps he’s never formally studied political philosophy, political economy, monetary history or the like and was simply ‘thinking out loud’, as it were, in a superficial space limited to 280 characters per tweet.  OR, perhaps there’s more nuance to said qualifications, Musk’s word choices, and actually deeper, longer standing philosophical meanings to such otherwise globally overused categorizations as “socialism” and “capitalism”.  Especially considering how intermixed Musk’s various corporate enterprises have been with routine governmental assistance sustaining his endeavors, versus the lack of said assistance being afforded to much smaller, more obscure private companies beholden to the petty, tumultuous tides of laizzez-faire competition, adventurous speculators and viable economic fundamentals which have certainly plagued us all since the 2008 Financial Crisis, if not earlier.

In this 29th episode of Money & Fear, and as always, in the show’s detailed Show Notes listed under the videos on our website, we’ll explore how Elon Musk’s past or present firms such as Tesla, SolarCity and SpaceX have benefited from government subsidies, tax benefits and other gifts constituting definitive “Corporate Socialism”.  Additionally, we’ll delve down philosophical rabbit holes a bit to weigh how and why concepts such as “capitalism” and “socialism” must necessarily conflict in order to seemingly forge future paradigms which could be slated to seek out economic, political and environmental sustainability.  We’ll visit the concept of the Hegelian Dialectic and indeed, even philosopher Hegel’s buried esoteric and Hermetic adherences as backdrop against not just the melding of seemingly opposing ideologies in the milieu of political economy, but as the driving force for much else of humanity’s prescribed quest for transcendence through science and technology toward Transhumanism and the Singularity.  Of Physics, and yet more so of Meta-physics…

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Show Notes

Musk – Tweet #1 – June 16, 2018

Musk – Tweet #2 – June 17, 2018

Elon Musk Dragged Hard After Saying He’s a ‘Socialist’ – and Marx Was a Capitalist

Elon Musk - Wikipedia

Karl Marx – Wikipedia

Das Kapital - Britannica

Re-reading “Das Kapital”

Elon Musk is worth about $23 billion and has never taken a paycheck from Tesla — here's how the notorious workaholic and father of 5 spends his fortune

Elon Musk Is Trying to Redefine Socialism as … Capitalism

If Elon Musk Were a Socialist

UAW accuses Musk of threatening Tesla workers over unionization

Tesla factory employees describe grueling work conditions where people pass out 'like a pancake'

Goldman Sachs says there's more trouble ahead for Tesla

Bob Lutz compares Tesla to socialism after GM took $11B from taxpayers under his reign


Nikola Tesla vs Capitalism

How corporate socialism destroys

Corporate Socialism in Tech - Why I believe that the Social Justice takeover in tech is just a symptom of a larger disease. - Software Mercenary

Pareto Efficiency / Pareto Optimality

Government Should Stop Subsidizing Tesla, Billionaire Musk

Elon Musk's growing empire is fueled by $4.9 billion in government subsidies

Tesla Motors Stock Price – September 21, 2018 Closing

Elon Musk's $420 target for Tesla stock probably wasn't a reference to weed

Diarmuid O'Connell

Public Versus Private: Not So Different After All?

How public and private sector collaboration can help overcome the challenges of urbanization

Tesla Gigafactory 2 - Wikipedia

Bailing Out SolarCity Costs Tesla Investors $7.4 Billion

Elon Musk's SolarCity Bailout Is Painful For Tesla Shareholders

Elon Musk to face lawsuit over Tesla’s SolarCity acquisition

Tesla's Constant Turmoil Can't Hide The Fact That SolarCity Is Dying

Wall Street's convinced that Tesla will need to raise more cash — and has some theories about how and when that may happen (TSLA)

Tesla to be examined by SEC over Elon Musk's 'funding secured' tweet – report

SEC reportedly investigating whether Elon Musk tried to hurt short-sellers with his 'funding secured' tweet

Lawsuits over Elon Musk’s ‘funding secured’ tweet could potentially cost Tesla billions

Elon Musk hiring Morgan Stanley probably closes the book on ‘funding secured’

Where’s the Money Coming From, Elon?

A democracy lost to corporate socialism

Google, Facebook, Amazon: Our Digital Overlords

The White House’s plan for AI is to not have a plan for AI

A beginner’s guide to A.I. superintelligence and ‘the singularity’

Google’s true origin partly lies in CIA and NSA research grants for mass surveillance

How the CIA made Google:  Inside the secret network behind mass surveillance, endless war, and Skynet—part 1

A Remedy for the Government-Sanctioned Monopolies: Google Facebook & Amazon

Where Does Facebook Stop and the NSA Begin?

Remember That Time Ford Went Private? Elon Musk & Henry Ford Both Irritated By Short-Term Thinkers

What is the Hegelian Dialectic?

Socialism and the Hegelian Dialectic [Reader Post] – floppingaces.net

Transhumanism, Freemasonry and the Internet as God

Glenn Alexander Magee - Chairman, Department of Philosophy - Professor of Philosophy, Long Island University

Are we edging towards a 'universal basic income'? Tesla boss Elon Musk says cash handouts from governments 'will be necessary' as AI takes over human jobs

Elon Musk and the dwindling appeal of public eccentricity - The entrepreneur only seems like an oddball because culture is so homogenized

Elon Musk Is Trying to Redefine Socialism as … Capitalism

A democracy lost to corporate socialism


The Logical Influence of Hegel on Marx. Rebecca Cooper 1925

Science and Humanity – Hegel, Marx and Dialectic – ‘Karl Marx and the Origins of ‘Marxism’- Marx at the Millennium by Cyril Smith’ - this chapter reprinted from Common Sense, April 1994


Peter Singer - Hegel and Marx

The Mystery of Hegel

What is the Hegelian Dialectic?

False Socialism - Hegelian Dialectics / Thesis Antithesis Synthesis

The Qabalah - Gene Odening (entire)

Competition is for Losers with Peter Thiel (How to Start a Startup 2014: 5)


Elon Musk: Tesla, SpaceX, and the Quest for a Fantastic Future by Ashlee Vance

Hegel and the Hermetic Tradition by Glenn Alexander Magee

The Anglo-American Establishment by Carroll Quigley

Transhumanism:  A Grimoire of Alchemical Agendas by Joseph P. Farrell & Scott D. de Hart

Capital: A Critique of Political Economy – Volume I by Karl Marx

Capital: A Critique of Political Economy – Volume II by Karl Marx, Edited by Friedrich Engels

Capital: A Critique of Political Economy – Volume III by Karl Marx, Edited by Friedrich Engels

The Rise and Fall of The Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany by William L. Shirer

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  1. James Williamson says:

    Phenomenal report, Pye. Despite some of the benefits that might come out of all of this technocracy, Musk, and others like him, are helping to further sink into debt the people, the government, the nation and the world with his little boy’s starry-eyed comic book fantasies that he himself has admitted will not beat the clock against the onset of an AI-run (and not for the better) dystopia. Is this the breathtaking NWO these fantasy-experts constantly ram down our throats? Are we there yet?

  2. “communism,” was to be used to enable the Illuminati to foment future wars and revolutions. Clinton Roosevelt, a direct ancestor of Franklin Roosevelt; Horace Greeley; and Charles Dana; foremost newspaper-publishers of that time were appointed to head a committee to raise funds for the new venture. Of course, most of the funds were provided by the Rothschilds and this fund was used to finance Karl Marx and Engels when they wrote “Das Kapital” and the “Communist Manifesto” in Soho, England. And this clearly reveals that communism is not a so-called ideology, but a secret weapon; a bogy-man word to serve the purpose of the Illuminati.
    It was under the name of “The League of the Just” that “Karl Marx” became a member. He was hired to update the writings of Adam Weishaupt, written seventy years earlier. Weishaupt died in 1830, but his revolutionary plans were carried on by a list of his successors.
    In 1842 Karl Marx began to write revolutionary propaganda for the League of the Just, hoping to cause a spirit of unrest. In 1844, in collaboration with Friedrich Engels, and under the supervision of The League of the Just, Marx began to write the infamous “Manifest der Kommunistichen Partei,” commonly known today as the “The Communist Manifesto,” which appeared at the beginning of 1848 . Later, the Illuminati operating under the name of The League of the Just, changed their name to “The League of Communists”
    “If you study Marx Communist Manifesto you will find that in essence Marx said the proletarian revolution would establish the Socialist dictatorship of the proletariat. To achieve the Socialist dictatorship of the proletariat, three things would have to be accomplished. 1. The elimination of all right to private property. 2. The dissolution of the family unit: and 3. Destruction of what Marx referred to as the ‘opiate of the people,’ ‘Religion.’ “

  3. John Phillips says:

    Why single out Musk for doing what the Big Boys do best? Big business is nothing but handouts from the Government at the public’s expense.
    For example:
    -The Nuclear Power industry that simply is not economical without subsidies.
    -Aviation and Aerospace Industry
    -Military Industrial Complex. GE gets subsidies and a huge tax refund.
    -The BANKING BAILOUTS. 700 billion to start 2008
    -Ethanol production from corn.
    To name a few.

    All benefit from huge subsidies from the American public. But you know this!

    Fifteen years ago the Los Alamos Laboratories began “intellectual property transfers” to industry which was all about taking the technology the Labs developed at tax payers expense and giving it to industry. This by and large created the profitable contractor environment the industry enjoys today.

    I think you are responding to Musk reintroducing the term “socialism” into the lexicon rather than concern for the subsidies he receives. Socialism for an American economist trained in capitalism is paramount to blasphemy.

    Remember. Capitalism does NOT equal democracy and Socialism does NOT equal Communism. But you know this as well.

    Are we thinking yet?

    Best Regards

    • If you were to watch the whole episode above, you’d see that Musk is treated as emblematic of wider, longer standing issues involving Corporate Socialism. He just happens to beg the question by referring to himself as a “Socialist” and Marx as a “Capitalist”. It all set up a necessary intro to discussing Hegel’s Hermeticism as well.

      • John Phillips says:

        I did watch the entire episode above; however, you either sidestep or ignore my premises: why single out Musk when there are so many other more demonstrable examples of Corporate Socialism (and individuals benefiting from such) and the associated Hegelian Dialect they benefit from? Musk is hardly the worst offender and again this question of socialism that many are oh too uncomfortable with seems to be the issue here.

        He may have focused the limelight on himself by saying he’s a “Socialist”, but you kind of shallowed the bait, hook and sinker, by focusing on him. The double speak should be dealt with…..Socialism does NOT equal communism still applies, and we certainly don’t live in a Democracy.

        Are you familiar with Economics Professor Richard David Wolff? He clearly draws distinctions between Socialism, Capitalism, Communism and Democracy and their role in the US today. Refreshingly clear and concise without the hype.
        Best Regards

        • “why single out Musk when there are so many other more demonstrable examples of Corporate Socialism (and individuals benefiting from such) and the associated Hegelian Dialect they benefit from?”

          Merely because he’s one of the latest examples of said phenomenon, and yet one of the more conspicuous, considering the haste with which the hybridization of corporate & government/regulatory power has been working. Also simply because the episode shouldn’t have run at documentary length. Otherwise we could’ve touched upon myriad other examples, sure.

          I’m familiar with Professor Wolff & wider academia’s seeming ownership of said terms. All the more reason why, rather than rehash his/their prescribed definitions, I chose to discuss Hegel’s Hermeticism for a deeper (literally), requisite context.

  4. Amber Sayman says:

    Thank you for this episode. I have been considering the synthesis of communism and capitalism in my musings for the past few year or so. I’m going to be chewing on this idea for awhile now that I’m able to name it. I have a lot to learn!

    • Thank you greatly for viewing the episode and for being a Newsbud member, Amber. Please also review the “Show Notes” above as well, especially the texts & videos. Plenty of info in there for piecing it all together, especially the Magee book.

  5. Steven Hobbs says:

    Hey Pye, thank you for this deep dive into the inscrutable confusion of Musk’s obvious lack of knowledge of political philosophy. It is odd and ironic how he can claim to be a socialist and be so correctly incorrect. Hagel’s idealism is a ripe playground for elite motivated reasoning toward arcane and imaginary worlds. It is said (too simplistically) of Marx and Engles that they turned Hegel upside down by positing material life in the real world is a dialectic of power and agency (or lack thereof) between capital and labor which gives rise to consciousness about class rather than the other way around. Phenomenologists, post-modernists and social constructivists abandoned Hagel, in part, because of his easy abstraction into heady realms beyond the simple daily experience of oppression are less practical for preparation of rebellion. Unfortunately, some Marxists seem to be enamored of their own preoccupations, reifying theoretical constructs they would otherwise rail against when taking specific action via personal and social agency would be more effective. Best,

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